Another try

[Hans Jaeger]

OK... let's try this again, without the school-yard taunts...

Rex Murphy is quite a cynic, but he's also incisive enough to be a Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert with brains and without an obvious political affiliation.

I don't think I've linked to this before...

http://hjtoby.blogspot.com/2009/12/rex-murphy-on-sarah-palin.html

If you read it, also follow the provided link to Murphy's original article.

Sarah Palin is neither a complete boob nor the greatest thing since sliced bread, but she is a political force, like her or not.

[Toastmaker]

Hans, all I get is a "page not found" via your link. . .

[Hans Jaeger]

Hmmm... try it now, Toast. Must've been a copying glitch.

[CWOJackson]

Ms. Palin works close up. She offers those much invoked, but actually neglected figures, “the ordinary Joe or Josephine,” a real sense that she does represent them.

Exactly the same point I was making...and she can do it WITHOUT teleprompters.

[Nausicaa]

I find it funny that anyone could pretend Ms.Palin delivers something of value with or without teleprompter. In every interview I have seen she ends up making a clown out of herself. If I am wrong, please point me to an interview where this is not the case and I will gladly look at it.

[Toastmaker]

Some people describe her as too country-like "down-home" American. That is to say, not politely refined enough for federal politics. Maybe you just don't like her mannerisms or the way she delivers her thoughts.

I do not think, however, that you know much about her record as Governor of Alaska or her personal priorities as a leader, be it as a Mayor, Governor or potentially a President or VP.

She has proven beyond a doubt during her times of leadership in Alaska that she is trustworthy, a skilled hunter of corruption and back-room shady dealing, willing to find workable compromises and not afraid of putting in the time to get things done.

Now, which ot these characteristics do YOU find most repulsive in a political figure, Naus ? If it's just her personality that you don't like, that's fine but her record speaks much louder and is much more valid when considering her as a VP or even Presidential candidate.

[Snuffy]

Good read Hans, thanks for finding and posting.

I enjoyed some of his comparatives, though I can't say I agreed with all he said about The One.

I think a lot of "The One's fame" comes from a sector of the public that is there only for the eye appeal, there is no real substance to those supporters beyond that.

However, I do like this bit:



Ms. Palin is a real and evolving element in the great story of American politics. ... and she may be in the ascendant. Mr. Obama is losing his lustre, his appeal is dimming, at the very moment the Alaskan outsider is staking her claim. ...


And of course he hit the Nausica nail on the head too:



Those who call her a joke are expressing an anxious hope not offering a rational description.


:thumbs up:

[CWOJackson]

I find it funny that anyone could pretend Ms.Palin delivers something of value with or without teleprompter. In every interview I have seen she ends up making a clown out of herself. If I am wrong, please point me to an interview where this is not the case and I will gladly look at it.

That many mainstream American's find her a refreshing voice for the common person is good, that she upsets people like you is simply icing on the cake.

[safn1949]

That many mainstream American's find her a refreshing voice for the common person is good, that she upsets people like you is simply icing on the cake.

I agree,if you don't like what she stands for just say so.The never ending personal attacks based on nothing are childish.

If I say something about Obama,it will be because of his policies.He is a failure as a leader,it's so obvious it's laughable.In real life is he a nice guy,probably and it would be interesting to sit and talk to him even if we disagreed.

I have nothing against the man personally,I just disagree with his policies...that how adults do things.

[Toastmaker]

Very well put- safn1949. Personally, I can't stand Fidel Castro's "revolutionary" brand of communism but I really would enjoy a talk with him about how he saw Latin America evolving in the 50's and 60's. Intellectually, he's a sharp old bird.

[Hans Jaeger]

Try this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6h2W9ZEwuM

Not an interview but it gives you a sense of how she speaks. Regardless if it's from a telprompter, you have to admit she's got a good style of delivery.

[Trans_23]

As much as she has been in the news lately, you had to go back 2 years to find something? I don't think that helps your case Hans.

[CWOJackson]

Yep. You get a chance, compare how she handles a heckler with how the current occupant of the White House does...http://quartermoonsaloon.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4949

How both of them respond to an outside agitation that takes them off script is very telling.

Reminds me of the whole "lipstick" comment thing during the election. That was an ad-lib by her when her teleprompter went down...he read a response to it off his teleprompter.

[Toastmaker]

People who have a natural flow in conversation, without a lot of humming and hawing - odd pauses or disjointed answers - generally have nothing to hide.

As opposed to those who can't smoothly recover when the script is taken away - or can't seem to respond with a quick, logical response - who very well may be accustomed to having something(s) to hide. . .

To me, many of the signs are unmistakable. Obama can smoothly converse when under no pressure but when the subject is a questionable policy, political theory, campaign promises or future intentions - he has a humming and hawing fit. Ergo; the almost constant use of teleprompters.

[CWOJackson]

People who have a natural flow in conversation, without a lot of humming and hawing - odd pauses or disjointed answers - generally have nothing to hide.



Reminds me of the two speakers that President Bush was.

Behind a podium giving a speech by teleprompter he was horrible, but when he wasn't behind a podium and was talking off the cuff he was an entirely different speaker.

[Toastmaker]

Yes, quite true. He seemed a lot more comfortable speaking without a script !

[Snuffy]

True conversation has has been noted, comes more freely when offered in truth from the heart.

If a person does not have heart in what they have to say and believe its important, they can not, regardless of how well they read a teleprompter, convey the warmth of someone with conviction in their words.

[Hans Jaeger]

As much as she has been in the news lately, you had to go back 2 years to find something? I don't think that helps your case Hans.

I'm not trying to make a case, and I didn't pay attention to the age of the piece. You think her speaking style has changed?

The only "case" I would make is that it looks like some people pass her off too easily as a lightweight.

[Nausicaa]

The video posted by Hans is not an interview where she has to answer critical questions. It's a prepared speech, written from a teleprompter. You guys criticize Obama for his use of teleprompters, and to convince me of Palin you give me a speech read from a ...teleprompter.
Wtf??

[Snuffy]

I must be ****ing blind or something ... I didn't see a teleprompter in the whole 7:30 minutes of that video.

[Hans Jaeger]

The video posted by Hans is not an interview where she has to answer critical questions. It's a prepared speech, written from a teleprompter.

Yes, I did say...

"Not an interview but it gives you a sense of how she speaks. Regardless if it's from a telprompter, you have to admit she's got a good style of delivery."

Refer back to the vice-presidential debate between her and Joe Biden to get a better sense of her demeanor in a high-pressure situation. She held her own, I think.

[Hans Jaeger]

I must be ****ing blind or something ... I didn't see a teleprompter in the whole 7:30 minutes of that video.

You're not supposed to see the teleprompter. ;)

[CWOJackson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfCIh7LTKws&feature=related

No Teleprompter just a few note cards.

[CWOJackson]

http://online.wsj.com/video/sarah-palin-unplugged-and-talking-energy/7D14403A-EC7D-43FB-9E14-35A175004DF4.html

No teleprompter...just some sandwich fixings.

[Hans Jaeger]

Walking down the street instead of riding in a car, talking energy policy while preparing sandwiches, you can see how she's got the "common touch". Now some of it is intentional, but what politician doesn't play to his/her strengths?

She's refreshingly different, and if it includes some colloquial speech, so what?

Politicians learn about issues, they're not born with an innate knowledge of them, and they grow into their positions and responsibilities. By all indications, I think she's got enough of a head on her shoulders to do the learning.

[Snuffy]

You're not supposed to see the teleprompter. ;)

OH! Well hell! Someone should tell Obama then that teleprompters aren't supposed to be seen ...

:emot-angel:

[Hans Jaeger]

OH! Well hell! Someone should tell Obama then that teleprompters aren't supposed to be seen ...:emot-angel:

You don't see them when Obama gives a prepared address from a TV studio or the Oval Office. ;)