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Nausicaa
09-29-2009, 08:06 PM
Of course, no word from our right wing friends on this forum about the German elections last Sunday...they are all too busy browsing the web about their same favorite three subjects. Not that I am sure all know where Germany actually is :D
So I will deliver the news then: Angie Merkel remains chancellor.

Here is what the world is saying:

Angela Merkel has been re-elected for another term as Germany's chancellor. SPIEGEL ONLINE has gathered reactions from some of the country's key allies on what a second term will mean for Germany and the rest of the world.

United States President Barack Obama has congratulated German Chancellor Angela Merkel on her victory in Sunday's national elections. A White House statement on the leaders' telephone conversation says that the two agreed that "with the election of a strong German government, our cooperation will further strengthen and deepen."

"The United States and Germany are close allies and partner together around the world to promote freedom, security and prosperity," the statement added.

Washington had already presumed that Merkel would win. When she visited the White House in June, three months before the election, Obama had whispered to her: "Oh, you've already won. I don't know why you're always worrying." The clear election prediction -- rare for a US president -- was caught on camera by the German public broadcaster ZDF. (At the time, Merkel's main challenger, Social Democratic candidate Frank-Walter Steinmeier, responded that Obama was "not a prophet.")

Russ Carnahan, a third-term member of the US House of Representatives with the Democratic Party from Missouri and the chairman of the Congressional Study Group on Germany, told SPIEGEL ONLINE: "I would like to congratulate the German people who sent a strong signal to their leaders of the direction they wish to see their nation going. Chancellor Merkel has been a strong partner in helping to stabilize Afghanistan, foster peace between Israel and the Palestinians, guard against Iran securing a nuclear weapon and promote an economically and politically stable Russia. I strongly believe we can continue working together on these important issues facing both our nations."

The Importance of Merkel's Calm Presence

Robert Kimmitt, who served as the US ambassador to Germany between 1991 and 1993 before going on to become a deputy secretary of the Treasury during the second administration of George W. Bush, told SPIEGEL ONLINE what he hopes will be on Merkel's agenda for her second term. "I congratulate my friend of almost 20 years, Chancellor Angela Merkel, on her party's results," he said. "As she begins the important task of forming her new government and preparing its coalition agreement, domestic affairs, quite understandably, will have the priority. But, recognizing Germany's central role in Europe, the trans-Atlantic alliance, and the world more broadly, I hope that the new government will shape an agenda that also allows Germany to discharge its crucial global responsibilities, not only on foreign and defense matters, but also on the economic and financial challenges identified at the recent G-20 Summit. One specific way to help achieve this result is to reinvigorate the Trans-Atlantic Economic Council (TEC) begun under Chancellor Merkel's leadership during Germany's European Union presidency in 2007. This council commits the important economies on both sides of the Atlantic to remove or lower barriers to the free flow of goods, services and capital in what is still the world's most vibrant market."

Charles Maier, a history professor at Harvard University and one of America's leading experts on postwar Germany, told SPIEGEL ONLINE: "This election wasn't about choosing between right and left. A majority of German voters, including a lot of rather elderly individuals, were looking for the safe policies embodied by Angela Merkel's calm presence. Voters who wanted more vision and change were in the minority and were divided among the Left Party, the Greens and the SPD. This division was disastrous for the SPD, and it didn't leave any room for two main political parties. Now the SPD is teetering on dissolution. It was also wrong for the party to simply chase after the Left Party; it needs to have its own issues."

The Washington Post called the grand coalition -- which has seen Merkel's CDU rule with the Social Democrats as a junior partner for the last four years -- "awkward," and said that the "pro-business" Free Democratic Party (FDP) -- whose leader, Guido Westerwelle, is expected to become Germany's next foreign minister -- has "traditionally supported a close economic and political partnership with the United States."

The New York Times was much more ambivalent about Merkel's victory. "Mrs. Merkel's victory could nonetheless leave her political standing weaker in the long run because her party ... had its worst results in 60 years," the paper wrote. Quoting unnamed analysts, the paper goes on to say that "by basing the short and lackluster election campaign primarily on her own personal appeal ... Merkel appears to have further weakened her party base."

Full and longer article here:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,651837,00.html

Toastmaker
09-29-2009, 08:12 PM
Of course, no word from our right wing friends on this forum about the German elections last Sunday...they are all too busy browsing the web about their same favorite three subjects. Not that I am sure all know where Germany actually is :D
So I will deliver the news then: Angie Merkel remains chancellor.

Here is what the world is saying:

Angela Merkel has been re-elected for another term as Germany's chancellor. SPIEGEL ONLINE has gathered reactions from some of the country's key allies on what a second term will mean for Germany and the rest of the world.

United States President Barack Obama has congratulated German Chancellor Angela Merkel on her victory in Sunday's national elections. A White House statement on the leaders' telephone conversation says that the two agreed that "with the election of a strong German government, our cooperation will further strengthen and deepen."

"The United States and Germany are close allies and partner together around the world to promote freedom, security and prosperity," the statement added.

Washington had already presumed that Merkel would win. When she visited the White House in June, three months before the election, Obama had whispered to her: "Oh, you've already won. I don't know why you're always worrying." The clear election prediction -- rare for a US president -- was caught on camera by the German public broadcaster ZDF. (At the time, Merkel's main challenger, Social Democratic candidate Frank-Walter Steinmeier, responded that Obama was "not a prophet.")

Russ Carnahan, a third-term member of the US House of Representatives with the Democratic Party from Missouri and the chairman of the Congressional Study Group on Germany, told SPIEGEL ONLINE: "I would like to congratulate the German people who sent a strong signal to their leaders of the direction they wish to see their nation going. Chancellor Merkel has been a strong partner in helping to stabilize Afghanistan, foster peace between Israel and the Palestinians, guard against Iran securing a nuclear weapon and promote an economically and politically stable Russia. I strongly believe we can continue working together on these important issues facing both our nations."

The Importance of Merkel's Calm Presence

Robert Kimmitt, who served as the US ambassador to Germany between 1991 and 1993 before going on to become a deputy secretary of the Treasury during the second administration of George W. Bush, told SPIEGEL ONLINE what he hopes will be on Merkel's agenda for her second term. "I congratulate my friend of almost 20 years, Chancellor Angela Merkel, on her party's results," he said. "As she begins the important task of forming her new government and preparing its coalition agreement, domestic affairs, quite understandably, will have the priority. But, recognizing Germany's central role in Europe, the trans-Atlantic alliance, and the world more broadly, I hope that the new government will shape an agenda that also allows Germany to discharge its crucial global responsibilities, not only on foreign and defense matters, but also on the economic and financial challenges identified at the recent G-20 Summit. One specific way to help achieve this result is to reinvigorate the Trans-Atlantic Economic Council (TEC) begun under Chancellor Merkel's leadership during Germany's European Union presidency in 2007. This council commits the important economies on both sides of the Atlantic to remove or lower barriers to the free flow of goods, services and capital in what is still the world's most vibrant market."

Charles Maier, a history professor at Harvard University and one of America's leading experts on postwar Germany, told SPIEGEL ONLINE: "This election wasn't about choosing between right and left. A majority of German voters, including a lot of rather elderly individuals, were looking for the safe policies embodied by Angela Merkel's calm presence. Voters who wanted more vision and change were in the minority and were divided among the Left Party, the Greens and the SPD. This division was disastrous for the SPD, and it didn't leave any room for two main political parties. Now the SPD is teetering on dissolution. It was also wrong for the party to simply chase after the Left Party; it needs to have its own issues."

The Washington Post called the grand coalition -- which has seen Merkel's CDU rule with the Social Democrats as a junior partner for the last four years -- "awkward," and said that the "pro-business" Free Democratic Party (FDP) -- whose leader, Guido Westerwelle, is expected to become Germany's next foreign minister -- has "traditionally supported a close economic and political partnership with the United States."

The New York Times was much more ambivalent about Merkel's victory. "Mrs. Merkel's victory could nonetheless leave her political standing weaker in the long run because her party ... had its worst results in 60 years," the paper wrote. Quoting unnamed analysts, the paper goes on to say that "by basing the short and lackluster election campaign primarily on her own personal appeal ... Merkel appears to have further weakened her party base."

Full and longer article here:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,651837,00.html




Since most of us would approve of Merkel's re-election, there's not really much to say except "congratulations" and I'm almost sure she doesn't read this forum very often.

The above highlighted part gets old rather quickly, however. . .

Nausicaa
09-29-2009, 08:27 PM
Old? It's the first time I am saying it. ;-)

On another note, I like this one from the article:

For Russian observers, the one wild card in the new centers of power in Berlin is the Free Democratic Party, whose leader is expected to become Germany's next foreign minister. Whereas Steinmeier has been praised as an "excellent diplomat" and the "architect of German foreign policy," Russians are veiwing Guido Westerwelle's ambition to lead the Foreign Ministry with considerable reservations.

I have reservations about Westerwelle too, because he is a first class idiot, as uneducated, clumsy and stupid as Ribbentrop at a British tea party in 1939, and he prooved it on his very first day too, when he told at a British reporter to talk in German "because here we are in Germany".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4pQlkshzm4

What a jackass.

Toastmaker
09-29-2009, 08:55 PM
Perhaps he is an idiot, I don't know but would he be expected to speak english at a press conference in Germany ??

Willy
09-29-2009, 09:51 PM
Unlike Germans who think it's their natural right to stick their noses into US politics, most Americans could care less about what happens in Germany so long as we don't have to go over there again and whup ass.

Uncleal
09-29-2009, 09:55 PM
Actually most of the right wingers are more concerned about other things, and couldn't give a hoot about the elections in germany, unless of course if the Nazi Party were reforming

Let's see: there's nationalized Healthcare
IRAN with Nukes
Illegal Immigration
Cap and Trade
Barak's need for a new stimulus plan
Afganistan

Not Necessarily in that Order

RickN
09-29-2009, 11:01 PM
I noticed and approve the results, but frankly as someone already pointed out it is Germany's business. I see no need to stick my nose in it or tell the people of Germany how to run their country.

As for knowing where Germany is, we all know, but nobody really cares.

Germany is a free country and not attacking us or any of our allies, at least for the time being. :ugly25:

Snuffy
09-29-2009, 11:49 PM
who cares? :shark:

Nausicaa
09-30-2009, 06:37 AM
Ignorant people often say "who cares" when they don't know. :D

bzhyoyo
09-30-2009, 07:40 AM
some clarification is needed as to the purpose of the section current events. Naus, I would have posted this in the international politics section. But should "current events" be understood as "current US events" ? ;)
Anyway, oh the irony of people posting to say they don't care on internet forums! What about "we don't care you don't care"? :rolleyes:

AckAck
09-30-2009, 09:12 AM
Oh the irony of people posting to say they don't care on internet forums! What about "we don't care you don't care"? :rolleyes:

I suppose the snappy comeback to that is "we don't care you don't care we don't care" but that would take too much effort, and implicit in that would be that we do care (enough to type a response), so it probably wouldn't be worth it.

Brian

Nausicaa
09-30-2009, 02:55 PM
some clarification is needed as to the purpose of the section current events. Naus, I would have posted this in the international politics section. But should "current events" be understood as "current US events" ? ;)
Anyway, oh the irony of people posting to say they don't care on internet forums! What about "we don't care you don't care"? :rolleyes:

I don't really think it matters Lionel, since for those guys all current events are current US events. :laugh:

Uncleal
09-30-2009, 03:19 PM
Germany is a non-nuclear nation, that none outside europe give a rat's behind about. IRAN is a place of great interest, as these assholes want the earth to end in a huge fireball, for that will fortell the coming of the fifth Emom, and the current leadership, believes this tripe.

Then you talk to the Holucaust Denier, mouthpiece for this gang of fruitcakes

PS . . That's the monkey, Obama wants to sit down with

RickN
09-30-2009, 04:44 PM
Very true Uncleal.

It is not like Germany is a major player on the world stage or a military threat to anyone. Like France, Portugal and many other countries, they are there, not going anywhere any time soon, and of no real importance in world events no matter what they may tell themselves.

Frankly the earthquakes and tsunami in the pacific are more important.

bzhyoyo
09-30-2009, 05:15 PM
It is not like Irak is a major player on the world stage or a military threat to anyone. Like France, Portugal and many other countries, they are there, not going anywhere any time soon, and of no real importance in world events no matter what they may tell themselves.

Funny, it works too. :laugh:

Nausicaa
09-30-2009, 06:21 PM
that none outside europe give a rat's behind about

Ahh...first denial and then insults....I love you guys !

We are still export nation Nr 1 in this world, and yes China included. And our beer and mädchen still rule. :D :thumbs up:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/bigdaddy3242/image002.jpg

Toastmaker
09-30-2009, 06:34 PM
Ok, Nausicaa's right about the beer and beer accessories. . .

safn1949
09-30-2009, 09:27 PM
Umm,I know where Germany is...I was stationed in Erlangen in the mid 70's and my family came from Baden-Baden to the US many moons ago.Our sister unit was the 124th Panzer Bn,a great bunch of guys stuck driving around in old gas powered M-48's.(we were in M-60A1's)

Nausicaa
09-30-2009, 09:32 PM
Ok, Nausicaa's right about the beer and beer accessories. . .
Some arguments can't be beaten ! ;):D

Willy
09-30-2009, 09:47 PM
Of course. If Naus spouts it, it has to be right.

Panthera Pardus Nigresco
09-30-2009, 09:54 PM
With Obama & Merkel being on good terms,
Hopefully Germany will continue if not increase their NATO forces present in Afghanistan.... :)

Uncleal
09-30-2009, 10:31 PM
If Merkal increases the amount of NATO troops, while Obama talked to his commander of military forces once in 70 Days.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/sep/28/us-commander-of-afghanistan-only-talked-to-obama-o/
She would be a fool indeed :laugh:

Willy
10-01-2009, 01:25 AM
I'm no fan of Obama, but I fail to see the issue with contact with the commander on the ground in Afghanistan. That's what the chain of command is for. Nothing I hated worse than some micro-managing officer from on up in the chain to stick his nose down to my level. Obama should keep his nose out and let the man do his job.

Now that that's said, let's get back to praising the all knowing Naus.

RickN
10-01-2009, 02:40 AM
I can see praising the titties, but there are just as many good pairs in every country of the world. Some of my favorites come from the Czech Republic.

Bzhyoyo your right it does work, but then when Germany was acting like Saddam we dealt with them too.

Only real difference is that at that time, the rest of Europe had balls enough to help and in some cases lead. :ugly25:

Blue Devil
10-03-2009, 12:35 PM
...with Merkel and the Conservatives in Power and gaining strength, ...

...and the Liberty sucking leach Socialists taking it in the shorts...

...How do YOU feel about it N...?

(We on the Right side of things await your candid observations...)

Nausicaa
10-03-2009, 03:17 PM
Lol Blue Devil, you have a lot to learn about German politics. To you Merkel and Co would look like socialists. The German right has nothing - repeat nothing - in common with the "American right", as much as we do not see the slightest molecule of "socialism" in Obama, as far as we do understand socialism.

Bip
10-03-2009, 03:50 PM
That was well said Nausicaa.

Uncleal
10-03-2009, 05:58 PM
I'm no fan of Obama, but I fail to see the issue with contact with the commander on the ground in Afghanistan. That's what the chain of command is for. Nothing I hated worse than some micro-managing officer from on up in the chain to stick his nose down to my level. Obama should keep his nose out and let the man do his job.
.

While Micro-Managing is never a good thing. This is the other extreme.
Merely asking . . Do you need anything to acomplish your goal ? Once a month is hardly micro-managing

Willy
10-03-2009, 06:52 PM
Uncleal, as you apparently missed it, my point is that Obama should be going thru the chain of command rather than jumping it.

Trans_23
10-03-2009, 07:14 PM
Uncleal, as you apparently missed it, my point is that Obama should be going thru the chain of command rather than jumping it.

Refreshing to see some common sense around here. :)