The USA to break up in 2010?

[Mikha'el Ephraim]

http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2008/12/russian-professor-igor-panarin-claims.html

[Snuffy]

Someone check this Guy's pipe .. :ugly25:

[Panthera Pardus Nigresco]

I'm surprised they haven't taken over Iceland since Iceland's government collapsed.....(especially with all the flights they close to Iceland in the Cold War)

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[Mikha'el Ephraim]

Well I do not buy our "esteemed KGB Colleague's"(LOL) views other than there are some things that "may" be on target. The interesting part to me is that the US Govt has spent a huge amount of money to study this gloom scenario and the content of the finished study has been classified TS. Some of those who mapped the collapse of the Soviet Union say this isn't out of the realm of becoming reality(we all hope not).

Just wanted people to read what the "good Russian" had to say.

[von Bek]

Remarkably, this depends almost entirely on what the Chinese choose to do with their dollar reserves. They have more than they can sell into the market unless they choose to collapse the dollar. They may be forced to do this in late 2009.

Wait and see.

[Mikha'el Ephraim]

Remarkably, this depends almost entirely on what the Chinese choose to do with their dollar reserves. They have more than they can sell into the market unless they choose to collapse the dollar. They may be forced to do this in late 2009.

Wait and see.

Ahhhh yes. Great point about China, the largest overseas holder of US Dollars.

[Nausicaa]

This response to the article made me laugh:


Because the world economy is so terrible, I predict the Earth will break up into 6 separate sections. One will leave to join mars. Another will be annexed by the moon. Two others, hopefully containing this idiot professor will hurl themselves into the sun. Piece 5 will tell the other pieces to screw off and call itself New Amsterdam and grow the best marijuana ever. And the last piece will cease to exist because it no longer believes in reality.

Also immediately before this happens, cats and dogs will live in a harmonious golden age. Fish will sprout wings and roam the skies while the birds all fall flightless and swim the waters. Chocolate will taste like vanilla and vanilla will be strawberry. Cheese will be the new world currency, and purple will decide it wants to be blue now.


But humor on a side...vB's comment made me shiver.

[Toastmaker]

All of this doesn't matter at all. According to the Mayans, we're all screwed anyway in 2012.

You better give heed to the Mayans because they know what their talking about. One day in Mexico, two of them told me that the yellow Habanero sauce was too hot for Gringos. Holy Ceasar, were they right !!!


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[Foggy]

All of this doesn't matter at all. According to the Mayans, we're all screwed anyway in 2012.

You better give heed to the Mayans because they know what their talking about. One day in Mexico, two of them told me that the yellow Habanero sauce was too hot for Gringos. Holy Ceasar, were they right !!!


:beach3:

More Mayan Calendar 2012 baloney.

Someone on another forum appropriately stated a Spanish lance interrupted the ongoing work of the calendar. :horse:

[Toastmaker]

That may well be but you better take their advice on foods !


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[Pudro]

According to the Mayans, we're all screwed anyway in 2012.

The Mayans never made any such claim.

[Toastmaker]

Oh, well, thank you, Pudro - I feel a lot better now.

:thumbs up:

[Snuffy]

The Mayans never made any such claim.

That may be true, but it is somewhat of an accepted fact that the Mayan's had the most advanced calander in the world, (for their time or any other time before or after that,) which should have gone on to infitintiy but for unexplained reasons it stops at 2012 ... and for that reason some actually accredit the Mayan's as stating the world will end in 2012.

(I had a good chuckle about the spainsih spear and mayan calander maker btw!)

There was something on the history channel about the Mayan calander about a week ago. I found it interesting. If the events that were mentioned on that program take place, 2012 is going to be interesting to say the least. :)

[Pudro]

That may be true, but it is somewhat of an accepted fact that the Mayan's had the most advanced calander in the world, (for their time or any other time before or after that,) which should have gone on to infitintiy but for unexplained reasons it stops at 2012 ... and for that reason some actually accredit the Mayan's as stating the world will end in 2012.

(I had a good chuckle about the spainsih spear and mayan calander maker btw!)

There was something on the history channel about the Mayan calander about a week ago. I found it interesting. If the events that were mentioned on that program take place, 2012 is going to be interesting to say the least. :)

No, you are still wrong. The Mayan calendar worked in cycles, and the 2012 date was just the end of that cycle - meaning a new cycle would start after it. It is like claiming that we are predicting the end of the world at the end of this year because the calendar on the wall only goes that far. Common sense says that we are not predicting the end of the world and that a new calendar (or cycle) will begin where that one ends.

2012 is thought to mark the end of the current Long Count in the Mayan calendar (they used more than one calendar, but the Long Count is what we are always referring to when we talk about the alleged end of their calendar), but it actually might not. First some background on how their calendar works.

The Mayans used a base-20 numeral system (as opposed to our base-ten system) and it is written in our system using "decimal" points to separate digits (Mayans didn't need these separators, as they actually had 20 different numbers, but we don't). So the first day of the Long Count is written as "0.0.0.0.1" and the 19th day was "0.0.0.0.19". They had 20 numbers (which we represent here as 0-19) so we then move to the next digit making the 20th day "0.0.0.1.0". So each step up to the next digit would represent 20 times the length of the previous step. But for some reason, this rule was broken for the second step (where the "1" is in "0.0.0.1.0.") and the second step is only 18 cycles long instead of 20. So while the 359th day is "0.0.0.17.19", the 360th day is "0.0.1.0.0" (rolling over to the third place 40 days before the numeral system dictates). There are two likely reasons for this. One is that it gives them a 360 day cycle that can be approximated with a solar year. The other possibility is that this adjustment makes the Long Count very close to one fifth of the "26,000 year" precession of the equinoxes.

December 20, 2012 converted to the Mayan calendar would be "12.19.19.17.19", and "The End of the World" date of the following day would be "13.0.0.0.0". Now, if you have been paying attention, you might be wondering why anyone would claim that this is the end of their calendar. The longest of the five cycles of the Long Count has only completed 13 cycles where the numeral system allows for 20. Again, there are two possible reasons for this. Just like above, it may have been part of an attempt at keeping cycles as an even fraction of the precession. Alternately, it could be just because the previous era ended at that point before the date was reset. (But that doesn't necessarily dictate that all eras end there.)

The Mayans believed that there had been several "worlds" that had existed. They thought that there had been several attempts made by humans to do whatever it is we are here to do. They believed that those other attempts had "failed" in some way, and that things had been ended and restarted anew, or that everything had been transformed into something new in some way. They believed that there had been three previous "worlds" and that they were (i.e. we are) in the fourth "world". They believed that the previous "world" had "ended" at "13.0.0.0.0". It isn't clear if its end was because it reached that point or if that just happened to coincide with that point. It also is not stated anywhere that this was a bad thing for those of the third world. The "end" of their "world" may have meant that a great enlightenment came to their world, possibly increasing the quality of their lives as they entered the fourth "world". In fact, that is what some of the Mayan writings seem to indicate that they expected for the "end" of their "world" (whenever it may come). Additionally, there are inscriptions that seem to indicate a belief that this "world" won't be "ending" at "13.0.0.0.0". There are inscriptions that give beginning dates and refer to a "distance" (in days) from that date that are well beyond "13.0.0.0.0".

In summary, the Mayan calendar was never said to have stopped at the equivalent of December 21, 2012. It was stated that a similar calendar in a previous "world" was reset at that point, but they never claimed that the current calendar would do the same. They also never claimed the the world would "end" in any modern usage of that terminology when the end of a calendar was reached.