Holocaust a big lie

[Hans Jaeger]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.dcc1dae7280236f3833645ed9fa891c b.5e1&show_article=1

Funny that Germany, which would stand to lose the most from this lie, doesn't consider it a lie.

Just some people who think it bolsters their case against the existence of Israel.

[Toastmaker]

This is the kind of government that will cost the Iranian people dearly. Apart from the likely military action by Israel to come against their nuke weapons program, the rest of the civilized world will not really come to their aid or defense should a larger military confrontation come to pass.

[wilbur whately]

ahmadinejad is way scarier than saddam was.

[Uncleal]

There was photographic proof taken upon the liberation of the concentration camps, and if that's not enough, have any denier talk to Obama's Uncle. He was there.

"None is as blind, as he who refuses to see"

[Nausicaa]

No attack against Iran will happen in any near future guys, except they attack someone directly. Obama isn't Bush....and that pretty much sums it up. The current financial crisis is top one priority for the new government and there is just no money for any military adventure anymore. Besides, next time someone wants to sell a war overseas he has to come up with a pretty hard case. The times Bush/Cheney and the minions could blow up a case out of flimsy proof are over. They used up the national and international credit for this and they are to blame next time someone has a hint which might be true and nothing will be done. Yep, once a liar it's hard to be believed next time you yell for the fireman. That's tragic and one day it might cost us all more than we think.

[USCG76]

Wrong get the Book America the violent. You'll find the US can and will always unite and come together when called upon. Site the Great Depression and the awaking of the giant. Don't tread on me or my home!!!!

[MaskRider]

Wrong get the Book America the violent. You'll find the US can and will always unite and come together when called upon. Site the Great Depression and the awaking of the giant. Don't tread on me or my home!!!!

Yeah, yeah. Sounds really keen. But its empty bluster and blather.

9/11 was a major emotional trauma for the Nation. Bush/Cheney used the passion of the moment to launch a war that they had been itching and planning to launch anyway. They lied ti get us into it- and everyone was trigger happy enough that they got away with it. It was supposed to be short and sweet. Not one single thing predicted by the national security team and their assembled talking heads came to pass or turned out to be true. Anyone who won't or can't understand that is really waltzing around thru la la land.

There will be no more preemptive wars- not for us anyway- not anytime soon. We are a basket case financially and economically and the team assembled by Obama ensures that this unhappy situation will not improve. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The deck chairs will get rearranged and there will be some reshuffling of the list of who gets a seat on the lifeboats but the ship is still going down.

This aint the 1930's.

With regard to ahmadinejad and the holocaust. Yep anyone who believes what he has to say is in the same category as those who blindly went along with Bush/Cheney for the last 8 yearss and who believe in other such histiorical myths like the one about Israel always beinbg right.

[Mikha'el Ephraim]

They lied ti get us into it This is dragging a bit off the original subject but no one lied about WMD. Saddam had it, everyone knows it. Five different intelligence services all had the same gouge from different sources. Did anyone know about the components of the Calutrons he had in his possession that we did locate? Nope, no one in the far left media cared much to make mention of that fact. What about the other raw nuclear materials and the 550 tons of Yellow Cake he never for got Africa as that self appointed Schmuck Joe Wilson claimed didn't exist?(All of it is in Canada now being processed into fuel). How about the Chemical Weapons Munitions we kept turning up scattered and buried about the country(some nearly killing our soldiers when they unearthed it). We have the proof in our hands where it all went and some of the people who helped move it. The ISG Dufler report was a totally superficial and lacking in actual content. That is what you get by playing war(plans) out in the open in front of the whole world. As I said before in another thread, you think we would have had the Pacific Fleet waiting in Pearl Harbor if Japan was so kind to let us know a year ahead of time. We always make the mistake of letter enemies get the jump on us and take the "well proven" Neville Chamberlain route between conflicts only to get landed back in one for being soft(The Democrats in this country have been the ruling party during most of them).

So now we have Iran with it's various sites preparing to build nuclear weapons with the Mulas and Ahmadinejad in control of them. And we're going to do nothing? What will it take, a nuclear 9/11 to finally get heads pulled out of where the sun doesn't shine? This is truly playing with fire in the worst way.

Will Tel Aviv take action? Hmmmmmmmm. Multiple exercises by the Hel Ha'Avir, Israel getting into the MIRV ICBM game recently, Dolphin Class Subs on patrol the the Persian Gulf "possibly" carrying nuclear cruise missiles? Mossad taking out one of Iran's top Nuke Scientists in Tehran.

We won't with our Shiny New Messianic Neville Chamberlain. But someone else will. Mark my words!

[Snuffy]

No attack against Iran will happen in any near future guys, except they attack someone directly. Obama isn't Bush....and that pretty much sums it up. The current financial crisis is top one priority for the new government and there is just no money for any military adventure anymore. Besides, next time someone wants to sell a war overseas he has to come up with a pretty hard case. The times Bush/Cheney and the minions could blow up a case out of flimsy proof are over. They used up the national and international credit for this and they are to blame next time someone has a hint which might be true and nothing will be done. Yep, once a liar it's hard to be believed next time you yell for the fireman. That's tragic and one day it might cost us all more than we think.

I suppose you can always dream ... maybe you need some of what that Russian is smoking over in another thread about the break up of the U.S. ??

[Panthera Pardus Nigresco]

I'm curious to know what the global European response/take is to these comments made by some members of the Iranian government....

[Hans Jaeger]

Yep, once a liar it's hard to be believed next time you yell for the fireman. That's tragic and one day it might cost us all more than we think.

Time for the Europeans to step up then, right? After all Iran with nukes is much more of a threat to them than to North America.

[Toastmaker]

No attack against Iran will happen in any near future guys, except they attack someone directly. Obama isn't Bush....and that pretty much sums it up. The current financial crisis is top one priority for the new government and there is just no money for any military adventure anymore. Besides, next time someone wants to sell a war overseas he has to come up with a pretty hard case. The times Bush/Cheney and the minions could blow up a case out of flimsy proof are over. They used up the national and international credit for this and they are to blame next time someone has a hint which might be true and nothing will be done. Yep, once a liar it's hard to be believed next time you yell for the fireman. That's tragic and one day it might cost us all more than we think.




If you look closely, I was talking about an ISRAELI attack on Iranian nuke sites.

And, the U.S. certainly doesn't need any "international credit" to start, conduct and win any war, anywhere, anytime. I thought we made that clear in the 40's.

[Mikha'el Ephraim]

The logistical nightmare of Israel mounting an attack against Iran's facilities is very significant. Not at all like the Osirak or Al Kibar raids. To the Arak site alone it is an average or over 990 miles. The F-15I's can make the trip and maybe the latest F-16D versions but they would be on fumes before they made it back. The electronic/cyber warfare capability of the IDF is exceptional and well proven. The issue of the US not selling the IDF 5000lb Bunker Busters is no longer an issue. The Dolphin Class subs could be utilized for a cruise missile strike along with Air Strikes. They can get in and do the job but getting back is something they would have to work out. I have looked at several possible scenarios of such an operation. I am convinced they can do it. It will be a huge undertaking leave no doubt.

[Toastmaker]

No question, It will be a huge undertaking. And, almost without doubt - it will be necessary.

Air refuling at undisclosed coordinates well outside Iranian search radar radius will be necessary.

[Hans Jaeger]

For Israel, this is a basic question of survival. I'd be surprised if the options didn't include a single tactical nuke on the main facility. Less than 24 hours notice to evacuate, then turn the facility into a dead zone.

[von Bek]

No attack against Iran will happen in any near future guys, except they attack someone directly. Obama isn't Bush....and that pretty much sums it up.

Spot on!

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[MaskRider]

... the components of the Calutrons he had in his possession that we did locate? What about the other raw nuclear materials and the 550 tons of Yellow Cake he never for got Africa? ... Chemical Weapons Munitions we kept turning up scattered and buried about the country...


- components of the Calutrons?
- 550 tons of Yellow Cake he never for got?
- Chemical Weapons Munitions we kept turning up scattered and buried about the country?

Are you sh_tting me? Just about anything could be claimed as a component of a calutron. Bridging the gap from some half assed calutron "component" to weapons grade plutonium is a large, and in this case laughably inconceivable jump. Same goes for the claim that there were 500 tons of yellow cake that he never got. What the f__K??? How was that a WMD? And as for the chemical ordinance, yes, some of those obsolete pieces of crap did threaten to injure soldiers because they were so corroded that their insides were weeping thru the rusted cracks, seals and seams. You are joking, of course, I know. No serious person would put this kind of crap forward as evidence of Iraq clear and present plan to attack us with WMD. Laughable.

Not a single one of these things was in any way a threat to us nor what was claimed as the reason for the war. Nor were any of them in any way related to 9/11.

All evidence clearly pointed to Saddam and Iraq having abandoned all of these programs years before 9/11. This was all about the Bush's vs the Husseins.

As I said earlier WRT ahmadinejad and those who believe his claims of no Holocaust: the same sort believe that Saddam was a clear and present WMD threat to the USA. Takes the same sort of stinkin' thinkin'.

[Mikha'el Ephraim]

- components of the Calutrons?
- 550 tons of Yellow Cake he never for got?
- Chemical Weapons Munitions we kept turning up scattered and buried about the country?

Are you sh_tting me? Just about anything could be claimed as a component of a calutron. Bridging the gap from some half assed calutron "component" to weapons grade plutonium is a large, and in this case laughably inconceivable jump. Same goes for the claim that there were 500 tons of yellow cake that he never got. What the f__K??? How was that a WMD? And as for the chemical ordinance, yes, some of those obsolete pieces of crap did threaten to injure soldiers because they were so corroded that their insides were weeping thru the rusted cracks, seals and seams. You are joking, of course, I know. No serious person would put this kind of crap forward as evidence of Iraq clear and present plan to attack us with WMD. Laughable.

Not a single one of these things was in any way a threat to us nor what was claimed as the reason for the war. Nor were any of them in any way related to 9/11.

All evidence clearly pointed to Saddam and Iraq having abandoned all of these programs years before 9/11. This was all about the Bush's vs the Husseins.

As I said earlier WRT ahmadinejad and those who believe his claims of no Holocaust: the same sort believe that Saddam was a clear and present WMD threat to the USA. Takes the same sort of stinkin' thinkin'.

Here is the proof of the Yellowcake he never received:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqi_yellowcake_uranium_moved_to_montreal/

No one ever said Saddam would be able to mount a direct attack against the US. At least not in a short time frame. But giving material support to terrorists, yes. Those Calutron components were quite complete. That was even listed in the UNSCOM report during the 90's. You cannot make Plutonium 239 with a Calutron(Duh) but you can swiftly produce weapons grade Uranium using a Calutron as we did with the Y-12 at Oak Ridge during WW2. The Calutrons were only one of many things found that showed Saddam was in the process of regaining Nuclear capability "if" we ever lifted the sanctions on him. He was planning it, we know that. As to the Chemical Weapons? Where do you get your information from? The Press? I spent 14 months in that God forsaken rats nest. I know very well what was found and what was not found there and there were plenty of "items" found that had fairly recently produced ordy mixed in with VX agents that were newer than the dates listed on the last UNSOM reports. We know where it went but there are still many tons of Chemical and 2 tons of Biological Agents missing. Will they make it across our "Open Border" to the South some day?
But the truth is and always has been unimportant to the American left and their biased lackluster media. All based on seething hatred of GWB. Congrats, you guys finally won the 2000 elections!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk

Hypocrites. (This video deserves it's own post!)

[Scratch]

I know for a fact that Saddam had WMD during Desert Storm. I was in a bunker with hundreds of artillery shells loaded with some very nasty gunk. If he had it then, he always had it. There are not only holocaust deniers, there are WMD deniers also.

Excellent vid Mikha'el.

[Hans Jaeger]

That video is a good reminder. It lends some perspective that it seems it has been easy to forget.

I posted a thread about "The House of Saddam" last week. Did anyone follow up on that?

[MaskRider]

Here is the proof of the Yellowcake he never received:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqi_yellowcake_uranium_moved_to_montreal/

No one ever said Saddam would be able to mount a direct attack against the US. At least not in a short time frame. But giving material support to terrorists, yes. Those Calutron components were quite complete. That was even listed in the UNSCOM report during the 90's. You cannot make Plutonium 239 with a Calutron(Duh) but you can swiftly produce weapons grade Uranium using a Calutron as we did with the Y-12 at Oak Ridge during WW2. The Calutrons were only one of many things found that showed Saddam was in the process of regaining Nuclear capability "if" we ever lifted the sanctions on him. He was planning it, we know that. As to the Chemical Weapons? Where do you get your information from? The Press? I spent 14 months in that God forsaken rats nest. I know very well what was found and what was not found there and there were plenty of "items" found that had fairly recently produced ordy mixed in with VX agents that were newer than the dates listed on the last UNSOM reports. We know where it went but there are still many tons of Chemical and 2 tons of Biological Agents missing. Will they make it across our "Open Border" to the South some day?
But the truth is and always has been unimportant to the American left and their biased lackluster media. All based on seething hatred of GWB. Congrats, you guys finally won the 2000 elections!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk

Hypocrites. (This video deserves it's own post!)

None of this is to the point. Those calutron components were just that- items that maybe- with proper alterations and rigging- could have been usedas a component in a calutron. There never were any calutrons. Those artillery shells were no threat to the USA- and yes they were old and archaic many of them corroded. The yellow cake that he" never got" was exactly that- yellow cake. You don't know jack **** for a fact about any of these things. Even Bush admits there were no WMD bright guy! WTF. I really am beginning to think that maybe, given the correct circumstances and proper ideological immersion there are some here in this thread who really would be capable of sitting at the knee of ahmadinejad and belivieng in his Holocaust fairy tale. God help us.:doh:

[Mikha'el Ephraim]

None of this is to the point. Those calutron components were just that- items that maybe- with proper alterations and rigging- could have been usedas a component in a calutron. There never were any calutrons. Those artillery shells were no threat to the USA- and yes they were old and archaic many of them corroded. The yellow cake that he never got was exactly that- what don't you get about the meaning of the two words NEVER GOT??? You don't know jack **** for a fact about any of these things. Even Bush admits there were no WMD bright guy! WTF. I really am beginning to think that maybe, given the correct circumstances and proper ideological immersion there are some here in this thread who really would be capable of sitting at the knee of ahmadinejad and belivieng in his Holocaust fairy tale. God help us.:doh:

The Yellowcake was found in the old Osirak complex, not outside of Iraq. That settles that part of the argument. The Chemical Munitions were newer than the press reported. Many of the ones found had production serials on them that indicated manufacture as recent as 2000 to 2002. The VX found on many of them(again) was not that old. UNSCOM outlined the fact that nearly 90% of what they had accounted for before Saddam kicked them out in 1998 is now unaccounted for.and without Saddam ever having had the facilities to dispose of it. The WMD was real, this was the position of the Admins of G.H.W. Bush, B. Clinton, and our last President. It was the assessment of the UN, and numerous intelligence agencies around the world. So I guess you and your lefty lackey's are correct and have more accurate information than they do? Really, what Govt agency do you work for related to Intelligence, Foreign Policy/Affairs, or Military? My Govt & Military background goes back nearly 22 years, how about you smartass? Have you even spent any time in the Middle East or in war torn small countries? Have you even studied significant amounts of Threat Assessment/Advanced Security Planning(Which is part of my business & career) Emergency Management or various levels of Nuclear related training by the Dept of Energy? I bet your answer is NO. Who doesn't know jack ****?
You sure as hell don't present yourself as if you know anything past what you know from the Biased Left Wing News Media. The truth must hurt pretty bad!

Shalom

[MaskRider]

All I can say is that if you and your colleagues threat assessing record is all we have to bank on- in Iraq and Afghanistan- then I pray for our survival. Not one of the stated reasons we went into Iraq turned out to be true. Our threat assessment gurus didn't even get the basic non WMD part of the Iraq invasion right. You remember- shock and awe- a cake walk- in and out- welcoming throngs- all that hog wash. And I still say yellow cake is just that- yellow cake. They could make mud pies out of it and perhaps throw those at us- if we come over and stand close enough to them.

[Mikha'el Ephraim]

All I can say is that if you and your colleagues threat assessing record is all we have to bank on- in Iraq and Afghanistan- then I pray for our survival. Not one of the stated reasons we went into Iraq turned out to be true. Our threat assessment gurus didn't even get the basic non WMD part of the Iraq invasion right. You remember- shock and awe- a cake walk- in and out- welcoming throngs- all that hog wash. And I still say yellow cake is just that- yellow cake. They could make mud pies out of it and perhaps throw those at us- if we come over and stand close enough to them.

You're entitled to your opinions, right, wrong, or indifferent. I could care less. Having been there as well as other places, I know what I am talking about.

Nuff said.

Shalom

Edit, Last night there was a bomb blast 3 blocks away from where my wife & son live. Fortunately they are safe but 2 were killed in the blast carried out by a well known terror group. I am going to do a full new post on this later. Every day I am reminded why we fight such people.