My, My, My it's Legal Now

[Uncleal]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/washington/16fisa.html?_r=1&hp

When that Evil Bush did it. . was an invasion of privacy :biglol:

[chemlite]

You'll see plenty of this sort of thing in the weeks and months to come, methinks.

The most revealing part of the article:


An earlier version of this article misstated the timing of the review court decision that was made public on Thursday. It was made in August 2008, not December 2008.

[Ease]

The court decision, made in August 2008 by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, came in an unclassified, redacted form.

Ironically, it's not private anymore!

[kurt190]

It is an invaision of privacy and it won't be long before it is used for reasons other than counter terrorism. Its what has happened in the UK, they are now talking about databases that monitor everybodies e-mail, mobile calls, telephone calls etc etc on a routine basis. What price freedom now.

And of course those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear.......

kurt

[Hans Jaeger]

Hope for the best; there's nothing you can do about it.

And it will never become a tip-the-scales election issue.

You are being looked after by professionals. :)

[kurt190]

I deal with professionals in IT & gov everyday - and thats my worry. Judging by how the UK Gov manages to lose data all over the place and how easy it is to copy I strongly suspect that these databases are highly beneficial to the terrorists.......

kurt

[Hans Jaeger]

Cost-to-benefit ratio. Value of intelligence vs risk of leaks. Hopefully it stays well on the "plus" side.

[Toastmaker]

It is an invaision of privacy and it won't be long before it is used for reasons other than counter terrorism. Its what has happened in the UK, they are now talking about databases that monitor everybodies e-mail, mobile calls, telephone calls etc etc on a routine basis. What price freedom now.

And of course those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear.......

kurt



In the U.S., I don't see any real evidence to suggest this is anything near a certainty.

[kurt190]

In the U.S., I don't see any real evidence to suggest this is anything near a certainty.

Of course you don't.At the moment there may be no intention or abuse but people being people it will probably happen. And that's why it is so dangerous. What's the hardship of having to go through due process to get a warrant? Now you all you need to be is "suspected" of being a "terrorist" and bang your tapped. How is that fair or reasonable? In the most riduculous of scenarios everybody could be labelled a terrorist. Effectively we are in the UK.

kurt

[Toastmaker]

Of course you don't.At the moment there may be no intention or abuse but people being people it will probably happen. And that's why it is so dangerous. What's the hardship of having to go through due process to get a warrant? Now you all you need to be is "suspected" of being a "terrorist" and bang your tapped. How is that fair or reasonable? In the most riduculous of scenarios everybody could be labelled a terrorist. Effectively we are in the UK.

kurt



In the rather fast moving world of counter-terrorism (and counter-intelligence) the harm becomes considerable given the amount of time it takes to get a warrant via civil due process laws.

In other words - it's un-workable.

Speaking personally and from personal experience, I have absolutely no fear of our upper-level federal law enforcement and counter-terrorism agencies being interested in abusing this investigative tool.

[von Bek]

It is an invaision of privacy and it won't be long before it is used for reasons other than counter terrorism. Its what has happened in the UK, they are now talking about databases that monitor everybodies e-mail, mobile calls, telephone calls etc etc on a routine basis. What price freedom now.

And of course those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear.......

kurt

Google for 'Echelon' and 'Carnivore'....

One is the US System, the other is EU. Both been running for years.